Tshepo Madlingozi will be participating in our
upcoming Thinking Africa colloquium.
Sally Matthews recently interviewed him about his work. This is the second part
of a two part interview, the first part of which can be found here Thinking Africa blog.
Tshepo
Madlingozi teaches law at the University of Pretoria. He is also a research
collaborator with the ALICEproject,
based in Portugal, which is dedicated to promoting Epistemologies of the South.
Tshepo also serves as an Advocacy Adviser and Board Member for the Khulumani Support Group and is a member of the Council for the Advancement
of the South African Constitution. He recently co-edited Socio-economic
Rights in South Africa: Symbol or Substance. One of
Tshepo’s key research areas relates to the use of the law by social movements. In
this research he asks some very important questions about how the law (and NGOs
providing legal advice) can assist social movements in their attempts to
achieve social justice.
Sally Matthews: You have used your legal
background to assist groups like Khulumani Support Group, which is a social movement
aimed at ‘build[ing] an inclusive and just society in which the dignity of
people harmed by apartheid is restored through the process of transforming
victims of gross violations of human rights into victors’. However, as you
acknowledge in a recent book chapter some commentators argue
that the use of the law in social justice struggles can result in the demobilisation,
co-optation and disempowerment of social movements. Could you explain why some
commentators believe this to be the case?
Tshepo Madlingozi: The critique against the human rights
discourse – not against ‘human rights’ per se – can be grouped into three
categories. First, there are Marxists and neo-Marxists critics who claim that
ultimately the legal system is an instrument of the ruling class and it can
never be used in service of counter-hegemonic goals. Even worse, legalism can
induce a false consciousness whereby radical demands are transmuted into ‘human
rights’ claims thus changing the overall strategy of the movement and denuding
its goals. A second set of critique is directed more at tactical and
organisational levels. Briefly, the argument here is that in liberal democracy the
human rights discourse has so much currency as the only legible script of
emancipation that once deployed, inevitably, it over-shadows other radical
discourses that speak to problems of political economy, structural racism,
hetoronormativity etc. Legal advocacy campaigns and litigation efforts also
cost a lot of money and they can end up crowding out and displacing other
tactics and campaigns. Related to this is the fact that in many cases, once
movements decide to appeal to the human rights discourse, lawyers and other
legal researchers end up – by dint of their positionality, class power or in
the case of South Africa, whiteness – becoming de facto leaders who not only
advise on tactics but also direct the overall strategy of the movement. A final
critique is that in historically white supremacist societies, Euro-American
modernist constitutions like that of South Africa simply perpetuates whiteness
as a system of privilege that invisibilises and illegitimises race conscious
strategies and movements. Put more radically, as a product of European
modernity, such legal systems constitutionalise
societies where the only hope for a black person is to assimilate into the
extant white world. Or as Magobe Ramose puts it, in the case of South Africa,
the settlement which sired this constitution legitimised historical injustice
on the question of land and sovereignty and thus racial inequality; and
furthermore its Euro-modernist nature further marginalised traditional African
conception of justice. The point is that in such a system movements that are
anti-neoApartheid are already disempowered and deradicalised if they embrace
the hegemonic human rights discourse.
Sally Matthews: You argue that using the law
need not have this effect. Can you briefly explain why you believe this to be
the case?
Tshepo
Madlingozi: In my research I have found that
movements have been able to – tactically, not strategically – appropriate legal
concepts, procedures and symbols to achieve certain goals. Firstly, movements
have used court cases as forums to expose and publicise injustices; for example
through the water-meters case (the Mazibuko case) the Anti Privitisation
Forum (APF) was able to publicise – beyond its constituency and academic
supporters – the fact that rich (mostly white) suburban residents get credit
for water usage while poor (mostly black) township residents do not. Secondly,
litigation compels evasive and dishonest local politicians and officials to
engage with local communities and to disclose details of State policies. Reflecting on a case brought by the Concerned
Citizens Group in Durban, Ashwin Desai concluded that: ‘Litigation consumes the
energies of the other side, ripping aside the mask of political rhetoric and
forcing the council to reveal in sworn affidavits the brutality of its
anti-poor policies’.
Thirdly, movements have used court-cases as rallying points and as a way to publicly display some counter-power. This is especially the case for movements that have faced a lot of repression when they deploy radical tactics. Engaging in courtroom battles, even if unsuccessful, can also afford a breathing space to besieged movement activists and can also enable ordinary residents to still be part of the movement without the fear of being caught up in violence. Fourthly, successful anti-eviction cases have at times led to the consolidation of a movement’s support-base and the recruitment of new members. Temporary court injunctions, when combined with other extra-institutional victories, can (re)energise the target community who now see that the State can be defeated. Lastly, successful but very narrow court victories have been given wide interpretations by movement leaders to legitimise counter-hegemonic, extra-legal tactics. Consider the following statements by an APF member upon hearing the news that the High Court has declared the installation of prepaid members unlawful: “as we speak now, members of the community of Phiri are digging up the meters and bridging [by-passing] them, and they are allowed to do so because the court ruled in their favour”. In this reading, the High Court ruling granted legitimacy to the movement’s “Destroy the Meter/Enjoy Free Water” campaign!
Away from the courts, counter-hegemonic movements have mobilised socio-economic rights by appropriating its discourse(s) to legitimise extra-institutional, extra-legal activities. Examples here include invoking claims to ‘rights’ that are not provided for in the Constitution such as ‘right to the city’ (Poor People Alliance), ‘right to electricity’ (Soweto Electricity Crisis Coalition and Anti-Privatisation Forum), ‘right to resist eviction’ (APF), ‘right to home’ (Western Cape Anti-Eviction Campaign), ‘right to land’ (Landless People’s Movement), and ‘right to work’ (Unemployed People’s Movement). In these instances ‘counter-hegemonic’ movements appropriate the language of socio-economic rights to animate and justify extra-legal, counter-hegemonic activities.
Sally Matthews: What would you say to those
who argue that while the law can be used to extract concessions from the state,
it cannot be used to bring about more radical social change?
Tshepo
Madlingozi: The point is that those hegemonic
in the sphere of civil society fetishise constitutionalism and embrace the myth
of judicial neutrality. All life in this young South African society is
suffused with the human rights discourse. There is no ‘outside the law’. Those
who argue that movements should operate ‘outside of the law’ and at distance
from this statist discourse are ivory tower radicals who never have to take
tough decisions; radical purists who can’t organise a piss up in a shebeen.
Movements appropriate tools available to them and if used tactically they can
indeed extract concessions from the State – and let’s be clear, social justice
campaigns are about extracting resources from the State. The challenge is to
make sure that the legal tactics and strategies do not become the be-all and
end-all; that legal ideology does not over-determine the movement.
Ultimately, my personal opinion is that the
law can never ever be an instrument for radical change. In this regard I agree
fully with the critiques I outlined earlier, especially the third one about
hegemonic legal system(s) being complicit in structural racism and suppression
of African way of being-in-the-world. Having said that I can never advise any
of the movements I work with to not use the law.
Sally Matthews: The courts have brought
significant victories for the poor and disempowered – think of the Grootboom
case (in which the courts found South Africa’s housing policy to be
unreasonable in that it did not adequately protect the rights of vulnerable,
homeless people who had been evicted without being provided with alternative
accommodation) and the social movement Abahlali baseMjondolo’s successful
attempt to get the KwaZulu-Natal Slums Act declared unconstitutional. However,
critics point out that despite such successes, vulnerable people continue to be
evicted, displaced and made homeless. Are such successes in court empty
victories?
Tshepo
Madlingozi: This is the debate that is taken
up in a recent book I co-edited: Socio-economic
Rights in South Africa: Symbol or Substance. Contributors range from anthropologists to
political scientists to lawyers and to activists. If you read the book
carefully, you will see that the ‘jury is still out’. My personal sense is that
90% of court victories have been hollow victories. In any case, courts do not
have the power to implement their decision and as we saw in the Abahlali case
and others local elites regularly ignore them. Similarly at Khulumani we have
several court judgements that have not been implemented. This is particularly
jarring if you consider the fact that by the time lawyers make submissions to
court they have already panel beat movement demands into ‘realistic’ or ‘attainable’
claims in line with the constitutional provisions of affording ‘access’ to
various socio-economic goods ‘within available resources’ as per the State
macro-economic policies.
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